{"id":4632,"date":"2017-06-07T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2017-06-07T03:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/site.claricelispector.ims.com.br\/estou-falando-de-meu-tumulo\/"},"modified":"2020-12-15T15:52:10","modified_gmt":"2020-12-15T18:52:10","slug":"estou-falando-de-meu-tumulo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/site.claricelispector.ims.com.br\/en\/2017\/06\/07\/estou-falando-de-meu-tumulo\/","title":{"rendered":"I\u2019m Talking From My Grave"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">1.<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>In the year that completes four decades since the release of her last title,&nbsp;<em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/site.claricelispector.ims.com.br\/en\/book\/a-hora-da-estrela\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Hour of the Star<\/a>&nbsp;<\/em>(1977), the work of Clarice Lispector continues to fully propagate. The book that tells the story of Macab\u00e9a \u2013 \u201cthe story of a girl who was so poor that all she ate was hot dogs (\u2026) it&#8217;s the story of a trampled innocence, of an anonymous misery\u201d \u2013,&nbsp;for example, is among the three best sellers in Greece, even surpassing the contemporary Elena Ferrante.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">2.<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>In February of 1977, months before her death, the author visited the studios of TV Cultura, Channel 2, in S\u00e3o Paulo, for a debate and accepted the invitation to be interviewed by the journalist J\u00falio Lerner, host of the program \u201cPanorama Especial\u201d \u2013&nbsp;this would be her only audiovisual record, which, upon Clarice\u2019s request, would air only after her death, on December 28<sup>th<\/sup> at 8:30 in the evening. We reproduce here the complete interview followed by a text written by J\u00falio&nbsp;Lerner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">3.<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Panorama com Clarice Lispector\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ohHP1l2EVnU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">4.<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>From my office at the production of \u201cPanorama\u201d to the studio lobby I have to walk about 150 meters. I am so stunned at the possibility of interviewing her that I can barely organize myself on that short walk. Maybe talk about\u00a0<em>The Passion According to G.H.<\/em>\u2026 Or who knows, about\u00a0<em>The Apple in the Dark<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0<em>Near to the Wild Heart<\/em>\u2026 I call to mind what Clarice has written. Have I read everything? In just five minutes I managed to get a studio to interview her.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s 4:15 in the afternoon and I only have half an hour. At 5pm the children\u2019s program goes on live and I have to free up the studio fifteen minutes prior. I\u2019m rushing and before even seeing her the time pressure starts to slaughter me. I won\u2019t be able to prepare anything beforehand, or even talk a little. I won\u2019t even be able to try to create a suitable atmosphere for the interview. I hate Brazilian TV! Just half an hour to listen to Clarice. The technical staff once again was generous and worked hard to make this happen. I look at the clock, I\u2019m not able to get organized, I\u2019m rushing, I look at the clock again. I\u2019m disconcerted, I reach the studio lobby and see her there, ten meters ahead, Clarice standing next to a friend, lost in the midst of the disassembled sets, various equipment, and technicians who speak loudly, in the middle of a great uproar.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I stop in front of her. I\u2019m a little out of breath, I reach out my hand, and I\u2019m pierced by the most unprotected look a human being can throw at a fellow human. She\u2019s fragile, she\u2019s shy, and I\u2019m unable to explain that the problem of time has raised my level of anxiety. Clarice introduces me to Olga Borelli, we enter, and I lead her to the center of the small studio. I ask her to sit in a creamed coffee-colored leather armchair. Clarice holds only a pack of Hollywood cigarettes and a box of matches. I provide an ashtray. The damned spotlights are turned on. Clarice looks at me. Clarice\u2019s eyes interrogate me. I have only one camera. Clarice\u2019s eyes plead, Olga settles in an unlit area, Miriam, the program\u2019s intern, arrives and remains huddled and silent, the heat is getting unbearable and the air-conditioning is not adjusted. It\u2019s only 4:20, Clarice tries to tell me something but I don\u2019t talk to her, worried about adjusting a lighting issue, the breath of the furnace already reaches all of us, it must be 50 or 60 degrees Celsius in the studio, cursed TV, blessed Third World TV that allows me to be face to face with her now. Clarice looks at me squeamish, frightened, and her look asks me to reassure her.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cOK, J\u00falio, all set,\u201d the metallic voice comes from the loudspeaker. I ask the entire team to leave, camera assistant, gaffer, studio assistant, thanks. Clarice realizes she\u2019s fallen into a trap and there\u2019s no turning back. I request silence and after about 10 seconds \u201crecording\u201d echoes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We haven\u2019t spoken before and I have only 23 minutes. I\u2019m completely disconcerted, I remain silent for a minute, staring at Clarice. I\u2019m hollow, empty, I don\u2019t know what to say. Clarice looks at me, curiously but watchfully, defensive. I\u2019m the lord of the castle and \u2014 arrogant \u2014 hold the key to this prison. No one can enter or exit without my express consent. Everyone must submit to my authoritarian will.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The furnace is burning, my heart is racing, my mouth is dry, and underneath these thousand tyrannical suns I\u2019m the greatest of tyrants. The interview starts. The interview progresses. Her ocean-blue eyes reveal loneliness and sadness. Clarice is naked, there\u2019s no forgiveness. Clarice is now cloaked, she lets herself be held, but soon she escapes, and returns, and catches me, and suggests to me the distant, the unspeakable, and then does not speak. And when I don\u2019t expect any more, she speaks again. I do an anti-interview, pauses, silences. Clarice is now fleeing to an uninhabited, unreachable galaxy, but then she returns and, tolerant, supports all my limitations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think she\u2019ll get up at any moment and say: \u201cEnough!\u201d Clarice senses that behind my seemingly comprehending smile and my smooth talk lurks a diabolical being who is a self-styled \u201creporter\u201d and who wants to possess her private life. Her body expresses fears, she pulls away from me, but again attracts me, her legs cross and uncross unceasingly and telegraph that suddenly she will be able to get up and leave.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>1. 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